Conversational Debate Series - Goals of War or Lack There Of

San.Soucri [10:19 AM]:
we have to destory these people to save them...just like they should have done with new orleans

Darian.Kallel [10:24 AM]:
Don't destroy them
Darian.Kallel [10:24 AM]:
If they are that bad, they will destroy themselves
Darian.Kallel [10:24 AM]:
then all we have to do is be the model by which they choose to rebuild

San.Soucri [10:24 AM]:
not with muslims
San.Soucri [10:25 AM]:
they have been this way for 1000 years

Darian.Kallel [10:25 AM]:
sure, they'll destroy themselves, leave them on the other side of the world

San.Soucri [10:25 AM]:
won't happen, these people have to be destoryed

Darian.Kallel [10:25 AM]:
let them tear themselves to pieces and when they're ready,
Darian.Kallel [10:25 AM]:
they will look at us and go... hey that looks good, let's try that

San.Soucri [10:25 AM]:
no

Darian.Kallel [10:26 AM]:
you can lead a horse to water, you can't make it drink

San.Soucri [10:26 AM]:
they are a society based in religion

Darian.Kallel [10:26 AM]:
we are trying to make these people drink, when what we should be doing is showing them the way

Darian.Kallel [10:28 AM]:
why don't we just stay out of their way,

Darian.Kallel [10:28 AM]:
and then if they do get in ours, we take the ones responsible, publicly punish them and move on,
San.Soucri [10:28 AM]:
not until we improve our technology will that happen, and right now it is not economically viable to does so

Darian.Kallel [10:28 AM]:
punishing the whole religion only gives their leaders a scapegoat to point at

San.Soucri [10:29 AM]:
i am all in favor of leaving them to rot in hell for their stupid beliefs
San.Soucri [10:29 AM]:
their religion is wrong

Darian.Kallel [10:29 AM]:
there you go, just leave, leave the middle east, leave the stupid muslims and don't look back
Darian.Kallel [10:29 AM]:
why are we even bothering to begin with

San.Soucri [10:29 AM]:
they are bothering us

Darian.Kallel [10:30 AM]:
then kill the ones that are bothering us and go back home

San.Soucri [10:30 AM]:
we did not fly planes into the towers, we did not set bombs on USS Cole, we did not bomb and kill are own Marines in Lebonon
San.Soucri [10:30 AM]:
they started this when they fought back

Darian.Kallel [10:30 AM]:
why do we have marines in lebanon

San.Soucri [10:30 AM]:
we did
San.Soucri [10:30 AM]:
in the 80s

Darian.Kallel [10:30 AM]:
wouldn't that be invading their land.

San.Soucri [10:31 AM]:
they were stationed there, just like they are in dozens of other countries

Darian.Kallel [10:31 AM]:
what if the Somalian leaders came over to DC with a force of 6000 starving troops with spears and said... no, no, no you've got it all wrong and we're going to stay here and make you do it right

San.Soucri [10:33 AM]:
good point, unrealistic. we were in somalia to stop Adid from killing his own people, who could not defend thesmelves

Darian.Kallel [10:34 AM]:
oh that's so nice of us, maybe they should come over here and make us stop driving cars and cutting down trees because we're killing the environment

San.Soucri [10:34 AM]:
so is everyone else in the world

Darian.Kallel [10:34 AM]:
if everyone is doing it then it must be right

San.Soucri [10:34 AM]:
no, it is just fact
San.Soucri [10:35 AM]:
whether it is right or wrong is not the point

Darian.Kallel [10:35 AM]:
it's ok to kill, the muslims are killing

San.Soucri [10:35 AM]:
it is only ok if you kill a muslim

Darian.Kallel [10:35 AM]:
it's ok to lie, the US govt is doing it

San.Soucri [10:35 AM]:
all gov'ts lie. again right or wrong is not the point it is just the facts

Darian.Kallel [10:35 AM]:
so it's ok to kill any muslim?
Darian.Kallel [10:36 AM]:
I can just choose one off the street?
Darian.Kallel [10:36 AM]:
who said that's ok?

San.Soucri [10:36 AM]:
it is just known that it is right

Darian.Kallel [10:37 AM]:
kinda like hitler told his people, the jews are to blame for all our problems, it's ok to kill them, to torture them

San.Soucri [10:37 AM]:
the Jews did nothing to provoke Hitler, the Muslims did do something

Darian.Kallel [10:37 AM]:
the whole must serve the punishment of the few
Darian.Kallel [10:38 AM]:
what did the muslims do to provoke us?

San.Soucri [10:38 AM]:
9/11 among other things.

Darian.Kallel [10:39 AM]:
was it "ALL" the muslims, or was it just a few people under the leadership of Bin Laden

San.Soucri [10:39 AM]:
does not matter

Darian.Kallel [10:39 AM]:
who we still do not have in custody
Darian.Kallel [10:39 AM]:
WTF!!!!
Darian.Kallel [10:39 AM]:
it's one fucking guy!

San.Soucri [10:40 AM]:
those others have decided to hide amongst civilians

Darian.Kallel [10:40 AM]:
well fucking find them
Darian.Kallel [10:40 AM]:
if we're so almighty, it shouldn't be that goddamn difficult
Darian.Kallel [10:41 AM]:
the man is attached to a dialysis machine for christ sake,
Darian.Kallel [10:41 AM]:
find him, drag him to ground zero,

San.Soucri [10:41 AM]:
he's dead. but that does not matter, his death or capture will not bring an end to islamic terrorism

Darian.Kallel [10:41 AM]:
call in the tv crews, give the cowboy president a six shooter, tie Bin's hands behind his back,
Darian.Kallel [10:42 AM]:
drop him to his knees on national television, look into the camera and promise that should anyone else do this 'shit' you've got the same thing coming
Darian.Kallel [10:42 AM]:
then in front of everyone, let the chief fight his own battle and blow the man's brains out
Darian.Kallel [10:42 AM]:
for all the world to see

San.Soucri [10:42 AM]:
i agree that the war was run poorly and that we shoud never have gone to iraq but that is history....now move on and face the future
San.Soucri [10:44 AM]:
The President had the world in the palm of his hand. He could have used it to pit the civilized world againts islam. Pit Islam against itself. Started a religious civil war. Gone down in history as the greatest president in American history. He was given a great opportunity. but nwo the country has to deal with what has since happened

Darian.Kallel [10:48 AM]:
yeah,
Darian.Kallel [10:48 AM]:
so learn from history
Darian.Kallel [10:50 AM]:
read a book, oh look the Brits were here for a few hundred years trying this... cool flip to the end see what happened... oh shit, nothing! Oh well maybe we should stop wasting our money picking this fight and pull out. Mind we'll need to launch a massive media campaign to let america know that we've given them every opportunity
Darian.Kallel [10:50 AM]:
we've won the battle and now it is in the hands of the iraqi people to move forward as a nation,
Darian.Kallel [10:50 AM]:
they must learn to survive on their own as we did
Darian.Kallel [10:51 AM]:
that way 2 years later when the coup goes down, we can say, the iraqi people were just not ready for the challenge and we are extremely saddened and hope that one day they will have the strength to succeed on their own

San.Soucri [10:52 AM]:
Until the muslim religion in wiped from the face of the earth they will not evolve

Darian.Kallel [10:52 AM]:
ummmm... that will never happen, until we educate them, killing them increases their numbers,
Darian.Kallel [10:52 AM]:
educating decreases their survival rate
Darian.Kallel [10:53 AM]:
think about it, why would you need catholic colleges
Darian.Kallel [10:53 AM]:
to control education, to control thought,

San.Soucri [10:53 AM]:
i would love to nuke the entire middle east

Darian.Kallel [10:53 AM]:
that would only really piss off the rest of the muslims who oh by the way LIVE in OUR COUNTRY

San.Soucri [10:54 AM]:
who cares, if we get rid of 95% of them great

Darian.Kallel [10:55 AM]:
then you've turned the other 5% into suicide bombers filled with rage, and they have all the means necessary to carry out the attack because they live here, they know us, they work with us and you just killed their mommy

San.Soucri [10:55 AM]:
GOOD.they they will kill themselves

Darian.Kallel [10:55 AM]:
and take us with them

San.Soucri [10:55 AM]:
some of us
San.Soucri [10:55 AM]:
not all

Darian.Kallel [10:55 AM]:
and what will fill the void in the middle east?

San.Soucri [10:55 AM]:
hotels
San.Soucri [10:55 AM]:
golf courses

Darian.Kallel [10:56 AM]:
not to mention the nuclear fallout, the immediate rise of gas prices worldwide and the economic fallout from such a blow to the gas industry, thousands of americans would die as their homes went unheated
Darian.Kallel [10:57 AM]:
the rest of the world would turn on the united states,
Darian.Kallel [10:57 AM]:
damned if the venezuelans would give us their oil for helping out the poor people of america
Darian.Kallel [10:57 AM]:
nothing would improve, nuking them only creates ten more problems for us

San.Soucri [10:57 AM]:
Chavez should have been assassinated in New York last week
San.Soucri [10:57 AM]:
by a person posed as a muslim

Darian.Kallel [10:58 AM]:
yeah, people who help president bush stave off the economic crises he created should be shot
Darian.Kallel [10:59 AM]:
giving oil to the poor, dumb idiots,
Darian.Kallel [10:59 AM]:
let them die, that way they can't vote
Darian.Kallel [10:59 AM]:
survival of the fittest
Darian.Kallel [11:00 AM]:
oh but wait, if they're dead who will fight in iraq?

San.Soucri [11:00 AM]:
survival of the fittest, this would mean liberal and commies would die

Darian.Kallel [11:00 AM]:
nobody?!
Darian.Kallel [11:00 AM]:
perfect!
Darian.Kallel [11:00 AM]:
good, we need a new breed of liberals,

San.Soucri [11:00 AM]:
we don't need liberals

Darian.Kallel [11:01 AM]:
govt officials would be the last to die

San.Soucri [11:01 AM]:
gov't officials should be the first to die

Darian.Kallel [11:01 AM]:
they'd steal from everyone else until the bitter end

San.Soucri [11:01 AM]:
we need people of america to stop thinking about the well being of others, learn to take care of their country first, and be proud of their nation

Darian.Kallel [11:02 AM]:
yeah, take care of us, pull the damn troops out of iraq
Darian.Kallel [11:02 AM]:
cut off the head of the snakes that attack us and warn the other snakes to stay out of our grass

San.Soucri [11:03 AM]:
i am talking about the working poor of america, the homeless children, the uneducated...not trying to free tibet, save a muslim somewhere, save a whale

Darian.Kallel [11:03 AM]:
who gives a shit about tibet?

San.Soucri [11:03 AM]:
have you read to new intel report...their is no head to this enemy

Darian.Kallel [11:04 AM]:
sad man... do you believe the new intel report?

San.Soucri [11:04 AM]:
there are independent cells working without direct leadership in bin ladens groups

Darian.Kallel [11:04 AM]:
is this the same intel that put a stop to the bombings on 9/11?
Darian.Kallel [11:04 AM]:
oh no! Thats right! They didn't stop the bombings on 9/11
Darian.Kallel [11:04 AM]:
they didnt' do shit,
Darian.Kallel [11:04 AM]:
cuz they dont' know shit
Darian.Kallel [11:05 AM]:
really who is training these cells?

San.Soucri [11:05 AM]:
the intellegence community knew everything that was going on..pre- 9/11

Darian.Kallel [11:05 AM]:
oh wait it was Bin Laden's camps for years...

San.Soucri [11:05 AM]:
whether the elected officials in gov't did anything about it was another

Darian.Kallel [11:05 AM]:
so the intelligence community needs to be put to death for not doing their job
Darian.Kallel [11:06 AM]:
that's the dumbest intelligence community I've ever heard of,

San.Soucri [11:06 AM]:
you need to stop blaming people who are not elected to their post...elected politicians are to blame for this mess

Darian.Kallel [11:06 AM]:
"watch my purse while I go to the bathroom" - old lady
Darian.Kallel [11:06 AM]:
"I've got it! No problem!" - Intelligence community
Darian.Kallel [11:07 AM]:
"where's my purse?!" - old lady returning from bathroom
Darian.Kallel [11:07 AM]:
"I watched this character with a turban steal it!" - intelligence community

San.Soucri [11:07 AM]:
The CIA cannot act without presidential/congressional approval

Darian.Kallel [11:08 AM]:
Oh wow! Glad we have those guys!

San.Soucri [11:08 AM]:
why did the CIA kill Bin Laden in the 90's? President Clinton

Darian.Kallel [11:08 AM]:
oh good so it's not just them, it's the whole damn system that's fucked!

San.Soucri [11:08 AM]:
Why didn't they stop Bin Ladin in 01, Bush

Darian.Kallel [11:09 AM]:
and Bush marched into Iraq
Darian.Kallel [11:09 AM]:
Brilliant!

San.Soucri [11:09 AM]:
the intelliegence community is not fucked, it is the politicans running the government

Darian.Kallel [11:09 AM]:
oh wait, shit that's not where Bin Laden is...
Darian.Kallel [11:09 AM]:
so if the intelligence community is not fucked and they are doing their job.
Darian.Kallel [11:09 AM]:
then where is bin laden
Darian.Kallel [11:10 AM]:
??

San.Soucri [11:10 AM]:
dead
San.Soucri [11:10 AM]:
in Tora Bora

Darian.Kallel [11:10 AM]:
show me his bones

San.Soucri [11:10 AM]:
where Hitler?

Darian.Kallel [11:10 AM]:
oh but we claimed he was dead,
Darian.Kallel [11:10 AM]:
if we're so sure about bin laden, then claim it
Darian.Kallel [11:11 AM]:
publicly

San.Soucri [11:11 AM]:
This sitaution is bigger than Bin Laden
San.Soucri [11:11 AM]:
he does not matter anymore, he is not in charge

Darian.Kallel [11:11 AM]:
oh shit thats a gamble, if he comes up with another video tape, then Bush is completely incompetent

San.Soucri [11:11 AM]:
the video tape...prove the dates

Darian.Kallel [11:11 AM]:
and if he is dead, then leave IRAQ!

San.Soucri [11:12 AM]:
can't

Darian.Kallel [11:12 AM]:
why not?
Darian.Kallel [11:12 AM]:
who gives a shit,
Darian.Kallel [11:12 AM]:
not our country!